Why did Doomlurker undo the changes I did?
The boxes are designed for square images. You replaced them with rectangular ones that don't fit properly. It looked unprofessional. - Doomlurker 02:19, March 6, 2011 (UTC)
Now I know you made them have their civillian names and it is them really but I've got to say I still don't think it should be like that. I mean like when Peter Parker puts on the Spider-Man suit, he is no longer Peter Parker, he is Spider-Man! or when Bruce Banner turns into the Hulk he is Hulk not Bruce Banner. One way to make me happy is if we can have a page with their codenames when there in their suits and a civillian page that when they are no longer in their suits using their powers and fighting. Please tell me what you think in my talk page. I hope you guys will see what I'm saying.
New Captain :)
Bruce Banner and The Hulk are NOT the same person as Banner repeatedly stresses during the film. Peter Parker and Spider-Man are the same person as Parker says in his inner monologue at the funeral. This can also be said for Tony Stark and Iron Man as Stark says to Senator Stern ("I am Iron Man. The suit and I are one.") in Iron Man 2. People like the Green Goblin and Norman Osborn and even Otto Octavius and Doctor Octopus are different as they have seperate personalities and they can each carry their own article.
Even if we accepted your premise, there is no set line between the two identities. If we write about Peter Parker as a Spider-Man seperately, for example, we would have to write about Mary Jane Watson as if she was cheating on Peter. No, we could not just write "Spider-Man, who was secretly Peter Parker" because then there would be absolutely no point in having seperate articles.
I hope this clears things up for you. If there are any other examples you would like me to address, please let me know. Thanks. --3LMN 03:05, April 25, 2011 (UTC)
Yes that is true and I know that but they are known as their codname because nobody calls Spider-Man Peter Parker when he is in the suit because he has a sercret idendity. If we could call them by their codenames and then in brackets their real name. Like this: Spider-Man (Peter Parker) .This would be better. I'd rather that because it's kind of weird for the heading saying Peter Parker and the photo is of Spider-Man.
I think that would be a good idea for calling the heroes and villains that but I hpoe everybody agrees.tell me if you agree please.
New Captain :)
- Mary Jane Watson calls Spider-Man "Peter" when he is in the suit. No matter what they call him, beneath the mask he is Peter Parker. A photo of Spider-Man is a photo of Peter Parker, no matter what costume he is wearing. To quote Shakespeare "A rose by any other name still smells as sweet". They are the same person. A few months ago the wiki was set out with seperate identities for the same person. We changed it because it looked unprofessional. Hope that clears things up for you. --3LMN 10:49, April 25, 2011 (UTC)
But could we change it to like I said for it to be with the characters codename and then in brackets their civillian name. EG: Spider-Man (Peter Parker). That was a good thing you said but I hope you can see where I'm going with this. With the title I'd rather change it it says both the codename and civillian name. It says both and still looks profesional.
New Captain :)
I have already explained why this would be a bad idea and you have not given any valid arguments for your proposal. The articles are about the same subject. There is NO point in having two articles on the same subject. It does not look professional. It is not official. It makes the wiki look subjective. See above. --3LMN 13:36, April 25, 2011 (UTC)
Okay very well but you really have to see where I'm going now because what I was saying is that we could have it like Spider-Man (Peter Parker). it does say they are the same person still and I now disagree with seperating the articals into two now.
New Captain :)
- So you want article titles with double brackets? Like Spider-Man (Peter Parker) (Raimi series)? that just looks messy and too long. - Doomlurker 19:53, April 25, 2011 (UTC)
- If you do not want to separate them, then there is no point in naming the article by the "codename". The character's formal name is their birth name. Give me one GOOD reason why we should use their made-up name rather than their real name. --3LMN 02:53, April 26, 2011 (UTC)
Well as I said before with all the things I said and I just went on Marvel Comics Database and I went on Rogue and the heading was "Rogue (Anna Marie) (Earth-616)" It could be like that or we could have it as their codname which the are known as and have their real name in the page somewhere up the top. They do that in Comicvine but the real name is in template like this:
|Real Name:||James Howlett|
The title is also the super name.
Also I just looked that there is a Peter Parker (Rami Series) and a Spider-Man (Rami Series). It still works and I'd rather that or calling them like Spider-Man (Peter Parker) (Rami Seies).
Also the Spider-Man wikia say's for the Spider-Man character, Spider-Man and the real name is in the template. I'm trying to give you reasons and when the come I will say them. I also don't feel it's profesional and some names are longer then the codname like Storm and Hulk and Cyclops ect. I'd rather it having the codename like most other sites are doing or have it to like Spider-Man (Peter Parker).
This is not the Spider-Man wiki nor the Marvel Comics Database. The lengths of the names are irrelevant. Allow me to sum up this discussion. I have provided multiple reasons why the wiki's format the way it is: formality, objectivity, lack of necessity. You want to change the wiki's format because of reasons you will say "when they come". Please do not try moving any pages or altering the wiki format until you can come up with some legitimate reasons for you to do so. --3LMN 09:35, April 26, 2011 (UTC)
Alright I've found some reasons:
Video games always list their codenames and never you select them as EG:James Howlett. But just remember that the movies are based on the comics. So they make official that they are by their codenames like X-Men Legends when you pick the characters.
Even though the other wiki's are not this wiki and are by their codenames, it is still based on Marvel comics which are based on the movies.
I don't know/ spell some other peoples real names like Red Skull and I'm sure that other people will have the same problem. Many people know them as their codenames and part of the infomation they would like to learn is their real name.
I was watcking Iron Man 2 the other day with comentary with the directer, he said the codenames as well like Black Widow and War Machine.
I'd rather it by their codenames and have their real name up the top or the other way around.
If you can't spell Red Skull's real name you search for Red Skull and it takes you to his page... It isn't difficult. It doesn't matter if you can't spell their real names because their codenames redirect to their real names. You preferring codenames isn't reason enough to change the format of the entire wiki. - Doomlurker 22:39, May 1, 2011 (UTC)
Now I suppose you guys win, But csn I a least put their codename up the very top in bold?-New Captain 10:18, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
Okay well I now disagree with the last coment but I was watching the Ultimate Avengers film and I noticed that they said their codenames way more then their real name and in the credits they said their codename first. EG: Captain America/ Steve Rogers, Also I watched the movie with the little infomation and they said the codenames too and not the real names.
Also I notice like Thor and Loki haven't got real names that have been said and they are part of the main Heroes and Enemes and the civillians have their real name and it doesn't look right, Unless they had a real name then I wouldn't say this but it's true and the civillians are not that main as the heroes or villians.
I see three groups here.
1. real names only and they are not that main as Spider-Man and Wolverine ect.... it's only people like Moira MacTaggert and Mary Jane but they are really supporting characters and weak.
2. Characters who are main, have the title their codename and don't have a real name and are strong.
3. Characters that fit into both sides but are main and should really be in number two whose title are the codename because they are main characters and I feel you are bringing them down by taking them away from their familer characters and putting them with their weak and supporting characters.
I hope you change your mind about having the real names changed to the codenames. I'm only trying to improve the site of what a good fan thinks.
New Captain 11:43, May 13, 2011 (UTC)
Also in the X-Men: First Class trailers they say, Before he was Professor X, he was Charles. Which means they are called the name, and use the name in the movies and don't really use their real names as much as they use their codenames.
In Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2, Some of the infomation I was given was what their real name is. It said: "Havok's real name is Alex Summers. They never said Alex Summers codename is Havok. Please do listen to what I'm saying and see my point of view!
New Captain 07:26, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
"Havok's real name is Alex Summers" you've just disproved your own argument. The articles are called by the character's real name. It doesn't matter what they call themselves more when it comes down to it they are Charles Xavier or Erik Lehnsherr. This is the format of the wiki. It isn't confusing. If you search for Professor X you still end up on the same article so what is the problem exactly? - Doomlurker 18:23, May 21, 2011 (UTC)